[occi-wg] OCCI Editor Getting Started Guide (docs/README.txt)
andrewx.edmonds at intel.com
Wed Mar 31 04:47:18 CDT 2010
Costas - you make a good point, far from a crazy idea :) and perhaps for everyone here it is wise to review the copyright rules again.
>From what I have seen so far OGF has been very flexible and open to changes in licensing and have actively and positively engaged especially in the area of enforcement through trademark as Sam has suggested.
Regarding substantive edits, we all well know that the docs are currently just coming out of public comment, after which any comments received will be dealt with, resulting in updates. As Chris said, any substantive updates to the specification before official publication may require another 60 days period of public comment.
From: occi-wg-bounces at ogf.org [mailto:occi-wg-bounces at ogf.org] On Behalf Of Sam Johnston
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:12 AM
To: Constantinos (Costas) Kotsokalis
Cc: occi-wg; Thijs Metsch
Subject: Re: [occi-wg] OCCI Editor Getting Started Guide (docs/README.txt)
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Constantinos (Costas) Kotsokalis <constantinos.kotsokalis at udo.edu<mailto:constantinos.kotsokalis at udo.edu>> wrote:
Speaking about the outset:
I would assume that the OGF copyright rules were clear and known from the very beginning, when people first got involved, while personal opinions naturally were not. Perhaps it is reasonable to expect that people would respect and accept the rules commonly understood when the effort started.
A crazy thought?
I've been dealing with this issue behind the scenes the whole time and am only discussing it in public now because my attempts to convince the OGF to loosen up on arcane copyright restrictions have thus far failed. My only concern is the success of the specification and having invested countless hours of my time I'll break as many eggs as necessary to ensure that - I've even volunteered to assist with the registration of the requisite trademarks to prevent the confusion people are concerned about.
We've now exchanged well over 50 emails in this thread alone on a subject that is not getting us any closer to having the long overdue specification finished - that worries me greatly in terms of this group's ability to focus and deliver. It's also disconcerting that, after having (necessarily) given the group some breathing space over the last few months, there has not been a single substantive edit<http://code.google.com/p/occi/source/list?path=/docs/occi-core.xml> in my absence. While I appreciate that important work is being done, our number one priority remains outstanding.
On 29 Mar 2010, at 20:58, Sam Johnston wrote:
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Christopher Smith <csmith at platform.com<mailto:csmith at platform.com>> wrote:
I would imagine that achieving consensus on various issues related to the OCCI spec should be one of the important things for the OCCI-WG to be doing right now, as the version 1.0 specification is now out of public comment and is in the final stages before becoming a GFD. This most definitely includes the issue of copyright/license of the final GFD, and just because Sam Johnston decides he's done with the conversation does not indicate consensus in the group and/or the organization.
The spec out for public comment is far from complete so before we do anything else it needs to be finished - at least we'll then have something (long overdue) to talk about and market. My time is extremely and increasingly limited and I don't plan to waste any more of it discussing something that I was quite clear about from the outset - unjustifiably restrictive licensing will unnecessarily stifle adoption. Ironically trying to avoid forking by seeking consensus where there is apparently none to be had virtually guarantees a fork from the outset.
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