From andrea.cristofori at cnaf.infn.it Fri Feb 5 03:27:17 2010 From: andrea.cristofori at cnaf.infn.it (Andrea Cristofori) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 10:27:17 +0100 Subject: [UR-WG] UR for storage accounting In-Reply-To: <4AB380C9.5080705@cnaf.infn.it> References: <4A9FC2F7.2040605@cnaf.infn.it> <4A9FDD1E.2010703@manchester.ac.uk> <4AA12372.8080000@cnaf.infn.it> <4AB380C9.5080705@cnaf.infn.it> Message-ID: <4B6BE475.9050704@cnaf.infn.it> Hi all, I started to put together some ideas regarding the storage accounting. I am taking, as a reference, the "Usage Record - Format Recommendation" Draft from 22nd of September 2006. Is there anything more up to date? In the description there are references to a name space that looks like is not available any more: http://schema.ogf.org/2003/09/urf Am I doing something wrong? Andrea On 09/18/2009 02:44 PM, Andrea Cristofori wrote: > Hi Donal, > > Including the questions I wrote some days ago, I copied the text at the > end of this email for simplicity, I would like to ask you if there are > some guidelines or other documents related on the standard utilized to > define the XML for the UR records. > > Then I could maybe start to work to some proposal on the storage > accounting record. > > Regards > Andrea > > > Do you plan to meet or make a phone conference in the near future to > discuss, in general, future developments? Maybe I could join and put > some effort in the subject. If necessary I could prepare a presentation > of some of the work that we did up to now. > > > > > > On 09/04/2009 04:25 PM, Andrea Cristofori wrote: > >> Hi Donal, >> >> >> On 09/03/2009 05:13 PM, Donal K. Fellows wrote: >> >> >>> Andrea Cristofori wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I have been trying to follow the development on UR in the last few >>>> month and I have a question for you. In particular I am interested in >>>> knowing if any work has been made regarding UR for storage >>>> accounting. If so >>>> where can I find it? >>>> >>>> >>> There's not been a lot of work done on it. The problem is that the >>> people who have contributed work so far have tended to be from the >>> computation domain, not the storage domain, so we've not understood >>> what's needed. We can't work on stuff we don't understand (but yes, we >>> know it matters, and we know that networking is an issue too, and the >>> problems are about equivalent too). >>> >>> >> In fact we started to discuss the matter and there is a growing interest >> on the subject. >> >> >> >>> >>> >>>> In case no work has yet been done is there a plan to include it at a >>>> certain point? >>>> >>>> >>> It's not on the group's near term work roster, which is focussed on >>> doing a production profile of the existing UR to make it able to meet >>> the requirements of production grids better. (Plus I'm snowed under with >>> management bureaucracy, which is really impacting on my ability to do >>> *anything* relating to OGF; too many folks demanding time-consuming >>> reports immediately...) >>> >>> While doing accounting for storage is a longer term goal, I don't think >>> it's going to happen this calendar year. (Next year, it'll be someone >>> else's problem anyway due to funding changes here.) >>> >>> >> Do you plan to meet or make a phone conference in the near future to >> discuss, in general, future developments? Maybe I could join and put >> some effort in the subject. If necessary I could prepare a presentation >> of some of the work that we did up to now. >> >> Andrea >> >> >> > > -- Andrea Cristofori INFN-CNAF Viale Berti Pichat 6/2 40127 Bologna Italy Tel. : +39-051-6092920 Skype: andrea-cnaf From andrea.cristofori at cnaf.infn.it Thu Feb 18 10:22:50 2010 From: andrea.cristofori at cnaf.infn.it (Andrea Cristofori) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:22:50 +0100 Subject: [UR-WG] OGF28 Message-ID: <4B7D695A.7090102@cnaf.infn.it> Dear all, Is there any slot scheduled for next OGF in Munich? Do you plan any meeting/discussion during this event? Cheers Andrea -- Andrea Cristofori INFN-CNAF Viale Berti Pichat 6/2 40127 Bologna Italy Tel. : +39-051-6092920 Skype: andrea-cnaf From donal.k.fellows at manchester.ac.uk Fri Feb 19 05:22:03 2010 From: donal.k.fellows at manchester.ac.uk (Donal K. Fellows) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 11:22:03 +0000 Subject: [UR-WG] OGF28 In-Reply-To: <4B7D695A.7090102@cnaf.infn.it> References: <4B7D695A.7090102@cnaf.infn.it> Message-ID: <4B7E745B.1030609@manchester.ac.uk> On 18/02/2010 16:22, Andrea Cristofori wrote: > Is there any slot scheduled for next OGF in Munich? > Do you plan any meeting/discussion during this event? > No, or at least not lead by me. I'm teaching that week (on the Wednesday) so I just can't make it. I've no objection at all to everyone else meeting up without me, but can't help not being there. Donal. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: donal_k_fellows.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 241 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/ur-wg/attachments/20100219/c1a8e00c/attachment.vcf From jkennedy at rzg.mpg.de Mon Feb 22 03:48:32 2010 From: jkennedy at rzg.mpg.de (john alan kennedy) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:48:32 +0100 Subject: [UR-WG] OGF28 - and URs for storage accounting Message-ID: <4B8252F0.3020709@rzg.mpg.de> Hi Andrea, I've just started to think about storage accounting and so am glad to see your posts. I must admit that I've not got much further than seeing an increasing need for it as of yet. I am assuming much has been done that I am not aware of and I'd like to have a chance to catch up. If there's no official ur-wg session in Munich I'd be very grateful if we could get together during one of the coffee/lunch sessions to talk about this. cheers John -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ |Dr. John Alan Kennedy Rechenzentrum Garching (RZG) | |Mail: jkennedy at rzg.mpg.de Boltzmannstrasse 2 | |Phone: +49 89 3299 2694 85748 Garching | |Fax: +49 89 3299 1301 | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From andrea.cristofori at cnaf.infn.it Mon Feb 22 13:11:19 2010 From: andrea.cristofori at cnaf.infn.it (Andrea Cristofori) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:11:19 +0100 Subject: [UR-WG] OGF28 - and URs for storage accounting In-Reply-To: <4B8252F0.3020709@rzg.mpg.de> References: <4B8252F0.3020709@rzg.mpg.de> Message-ID: <4B82D6D7.1010501@cnaf.infn.it> Hi John, I've sent some email to this WG in the last weeks and what came out is that there is some interest in the subject but almost nothing has been done up to now and seems that there is also some lack of manpower. Personally I'm starting to check what could be needed and what is already present it the actual definition of UR. I checked the schedule for Munich and I haven't seen any session. And no answer here up to now. So I really doubt that there will be anything. I haven't planned yet to come to Munich but if I'll be there we can certainly meet and discuss the subject. Cheers, Andrea john alan kennedy wrote: > Hi Andrea, > > I've just started to think about storage accounting and so am glad to > see your posts. > > I must admit that I've not got much further than seeing an increasing > need for it as of yet. I am assuming much has been done that I am not > aware of and I'd like to have a chance to catch up. > > If there's no official ur-wg session in Munich I'd be very grateful if > we could get together during one of the coffee/lunch sessions to talk > about this. > > cheers > John > > > From jkennedy at rzg.mpg.de Tue Feb 23 03:11:57 2010 From: jkennedy at rzg.mpg.de (john alan kennedy) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:11:57 +0100 Subject: [UR-WG] OGF28 - and URs for storage accounting In-Reply-To: <4B82D6D7.1010501@cnaf.infn.it> References: <4B8252F0.3020709@rzg.mpg.de> <4B82D6D7.1010501@cnaf.infn.it> Message-ID: <4B839BDD.7060401@rzg.mpg.de> Hi Andrea, I'm based in Munich so will obviously be attending the OGF meeting. If you are in Munich it would be good to talk. If not I would be happy to swap some mails etc about this. I'm interested in seeing what's there and how this evolves and can give some of my time to this. cheers John Andrea Cristofori wrote: > Hi John, > > I've sent some email to this WG in the last weeks and what came out is > that there is some interest in the subject but almost nothing has been > done up to now and seems that there is also some lack of manpower. > Personally I'm starting to check what could be needed and what is > already present it the actual definition of UR. > > I checked the schedule for Munich and I haven't seen any session. And > no answer here up to now. So I really doubt that there will be > anything. I haven't planned yet to come to Munich but if I'll be there > we can certainly meet and discuss the subject. > > Cheers, > Andrea > > > john alan kennedy wrote: >> Hi Andrea, >> >> I've just started to think about storage accounting and so am glad to >> see your posts. >> >> I must admit that I've not got much further than seeing an increasing >> need for it as of yet. I am assuming much has been done that I am not >> aware of and I'd like to have a chance to catch up. >> >> If there's no official ur-wg session in Munich I'd be very grateful >> if we could get together during one of the coffee/lunch sessions to >> talk about this. >> >> cheers >> John >> >> >> > > -- +------------------------------------------------------------+ |Dr. John Alan Kennedy Rechenzentrum Garching (RZG) | |Mail: jkennedy at rzg.mpg.de Boltzmannstrasse 2 | |Phone: +49 89 3299 2694 85748 Garching | |Fax: +49 89 3299 1301 | +------------------------------------------------------------+ From andrea.cristofori at cnaf.infn.it Wed Feb 24 10:22:23 2010 From: andrea.cristofori at cnaf.infn.it (Andrea Cristofori) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 17:22:23 +0100 Subject: [UR-WG] OGF28 - and URs for storage accounting In-Reply-To: <4B839BDD.7060401@rzg.mpg.de> References: <4B8252F0.3020709@rzg.mpg.de> <4B82D6D7.1010501@cnaf.infn.it> <4B839BDD.7060401@rzg.mpg.de> Message-ID: <4B85523F.2010901@cnaf.infn.it> Hi John, Of course we can exchange some email or even discuss a bit via skype. I started to have a look to the different proprieties defined in the UR and to see how they can map, how they can be extended and if some more property should be added. Have you already started working on some aspect? Have you already worked in the definition of the UR? Cheers Andrea On 02/23/2010 10:11 AM, john alan kennedy wrote: > Hi Andrea, > > I'm based in Munich so will obviously be attending the OGF meeting. If > you are in Munich it would be good to talk. > If not I would be happy to swap some mails etc about this. > > I'm interested in seeing what's there and how this evolves and can > give some of my time to this. > > cheers > John > > Andrea Cristofori wrote: >> Hi John, >> >> I've sent some email to this WG in the last weeks and what came out >> is that there is some interest in the subject but almost nothing has >> been done up to now and seems that there is also some lack of manpower. >> Personally I'm starting to check what could be needed and what is >> already present it the actual definition of UR. >> >> I checked the schedule for Munich and I haven't seen any session. And >> no answer here up to now. So I really doubt that there will be >> anything. I haven't planned yet to come to Munich but if I'll be >> there we can certainly meet and discuss the subject. >> >> Cheers, >> Andrea >> >> >> john alan kennedy wrote: >>> Hi Andrea, >>> >>> I've just started to think about storage accounting and so am glad >>> to see your posts. >>> >>> I must admit that I've not got much further than seeing an >>> increasing need for it as of yet. I am assuming much has been done >>> that I am not aware of and I'd like to have a chance to catch up. >>> >>> If there's no official ur-wg session in Munich I'd be very grateful >>> if we could get together during one of the coffee/lunch sessions to >>> talk about this. >>> >>> cheers >>> John >>> >>> >> >> > > -- Andrea Cristofori INFN-CNAF Viale Berti Pichat 6/2 40127 Bologna Italy Tel. : +39-051-6092920 Skype: andrea-cnaf From john.gordon at stfc.ac.uk Thu Feb 25 16:50:36 2010 From: john.gordon at stfc.ac.uk (john.gordon at stfc.ac.uk) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:50:36 -0000 Subject: [UR-WG] OGF28 In-Reply-To: <4B7D695A.7090102@cnaf.infn.it> References: <4B7D695A.7090102@cnaf.infn.it> Message-ID: I'd be interested in participating if one were held. John > -----Original Message----- > From: ur-wg-bounces at ogf.org [mailto:ur-wg-bounces at ogf.org] On Behalf Of > Andrea Cristofori > Sent: 18 February 2010 16:23 > To: ur-wg at ogf.org > Subject: [UR-WG] OGF28 > > Dear all, > > Is there any slot scheduled for next OGF in Munich? > Do you plan any meeting/discussion during this event? > > Cheers > Andrea > > -- > Andrea Cristofori > INFN-CNAF > Viale Berti Pichat 6/2 > 40127 Bologna > Italy > Tel. : +39-051-6092920 > Skype: andrea-cnaf > > -- > ur-wg mailing list > ur-wg at ogf.org > http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/ur-wg -- Scanned by iCritical.