From t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com Sun Dec 3 18:23:45 2006 From: t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com (Toshiyuki Nakata) Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:23:45 +0900 Subject: [GRAAP-WG] Updated Comments sheet Message-ID: <00c401c7173a$75b7cbb0$ab84380a@ISIBASI> Hi: Official Comment Period is over. The comments page cannot be accessed from the Top page. However, it still does exist as https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/discussion/do/listTopics/projects.ggf-editor/ discussion.rec_ws_agreement_spec_0 (or just click Cell C4 in the attached excel file..) Best Regards Toshi ----- Toshiyuki Nakata ?????? Executive Chief Engineer, Central Research Lab. NEC 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60035) Fax +81-44-431-7609 (NEC Internal 22-60509) > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best regards, Tianchao Li ============================= Research Staff Institut fuer Informatik, TU Muenchen Germany http://www.lrr.in.tum.de/~lit Toshiyuki Nakata wrote: > Hi: Official Comment Period is over. > The comments page cannot be accessed from the Top page. > However, it still does exist as > https://forge.gridforum.org/sf/discussion/do/listTopics/projects.ggf-editor/ > discussion.rec_ws_agreement_spec_0 > (or just click Cell C4 in the attached excel file..) > > Best Regards > Toshi > > ----- > Toshiyuki Nakata ?????? > Executive Chief Engineer, Central Research Lab. NEC > 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, > Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan > Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60035) > Fax +81-44-431-7609 (NEC Internal 22-60509) > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -- >> graap-wg mailing list >> graap-wg at ogf.org >> http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/graap-wg From t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com Mon Dec 4 23:42:58 2006 From: t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com (Toshiyuki Nakata) Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 14:42:58 +0900 Subject: [GRAAP-WG] Updated Comments sheet In-Reply-To: <457444DE.6010108@in.tum.de> Message-ID: <000601c71830$383717e0$ab84380a@ISIBASI> List Updated. Best Regards Toshi ----- Toshiyuki Nakata ?????? Executive Chief Engineer, Central Research Lab. NEC 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60035) Fax +81-44-431-7609 (NEC Internal 22-60509) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <000601c71830$383717e0$ab84380a@ISIBASI> References: <000601c71830$383717e0$ab84380a@ISIBASI> Message-ID: Hi: Considering that Jim, Asit and Heiko are attending (I presume) ICSOC'06 in Chicago today, I'm wondering whether there'll be a telecon today? #I'll be literally on the road in California next week so #won't be able to make it if there's a telecon next week.. Best Regards Toshi ------- NEC ???????????? ?????? Toshiyuki Nakata Executive Chief Engineer Central Research Laboratories NEC Corporation +81-44-431-7653 From Wolfgang.Ziegler at scai.fraunhofer.de Wed Dec 6 05:21:23 2006 From: Wolfgang.Ziegler at scai.fraunhofer.de (Wolfgang Ziegler) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 12:21:23 +0100 Subject: [GRAAP-WG] Telecon today? In-Reply-To: References: <000601c71830$383717e0$ab84380a@ISIBASI> Message-ID: <4576A7B3.5000102@scai.fraunhofer.de> Dear Toshi, I am in Amsterdam and have a meeting with presentation at the time of the GRAAP telco. I'd suggest to start discussing the comments via email. I will check the latest list you sent later today. My goal (and the goal of our area directors) is to have the work on the comments done and the final spec sent to the Editor by end of this year. Best regards Wolfgang t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com schrieb: > Hi: > Considering that Jim, Asit and Heiko are attending (I presume) ICSOC'06 > in Chicago today, I'm wondering whether there'll be a telecon today? > > #I'll be literally on the road in California next week so > #won't be able to make it if there's a telecon next week.. > > Best Regards > Toshi > ------- > NEC ???????????? > ?????? > Toshiyuki Nakata > Executive Chief Engineer > Central Research Laboratories > NEC Corporation > +81-44-431-7653 > -- > graap-wg mailing list > graap-wg at ogf.org > http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/graap-wg -- Wolfgang Ziegler www.scai.fraunhofer.de/ziegler.html Fraunhofer-Institute for Algorithms and Scientific Computing (SCAI) Schloss Birlinghoven, D-53754 Sankt Augustin, Germany Tel: +49 2241 14 2258; Fax: +49 2241 14 42258 CoreGRID Network of Excellence www.coregrid.net Collaboration Gateway www.coregrid.net/cg Institute on Resource Management and Scheduling www.coregrid.net/irms -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I will check the latest list you > sent later today. > My goal (and the goal of our area directors) is to have the work > on the comments done and the final spec sent to the Editor by end > of this year. > > Best regards > > Wolfgang > > > > t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com schrieb: >> Hi: >> Considering that Jim, Asit and Heiko are attending (I presume) ICSOC'06 >> in Chicago today, I'm wondering whether there'll be a telecon today? >> >> #I'll be literally on the road in California next week so >> #won't be able to make it if there's a telecon next week.. >> >> Best Regards >> Toshi >> ------- >> NEC ???????????? >> ?????? >> Toshiyuki Nakata >> Executive Chief Engineer >> Central Research Laboratories >> NEC Corporation >> +81-44-431-7653 >> -- >> graap-wg mailing list >> graap-wg at ogf.org >> http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/graap-wg > > -- > Wolfgang Ziegler www.scai.fraunhofer.de/ziegler.html > Fraunhofer-Institute for Algorithms and Scientific Computing (SCAI) > Schloss Birlinghoven, D-53754 Sankt Augustin, Germany > Tel: +49 2241 14 2258; Fax: +49 2241 14 42258 > > CoreGRID Network of Excellence www.coregrid.net > Collaboration Gateway www.coregrid.net/cg > Institute on Resource Management and Scheduling www.coregrid.net/irms ------- NEC ???????????? ?????? Toshiyuki Nakata Executive Chief Engineer Central Research Laboratories NEC Corporation +81-44-431-7653 From t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com Fri Dec 8 01:48:07 2006 From: t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com (Toshiyuki Nakata) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 16:48:07 +0900 Subject: [GRAAP-WG] Updated Comments sheet Message-ID: <006b01c71a9d$337dab50$ab84380a@ISIBASI> Updated in order to reflect two minor points. No.17) 1) In section 7.1 (Agreement States), the text "Terminated - The terminated state means that an Agreement offer has been terminated by the Agreement Initiator and that the obligation no longer exists. This state MAY follow Pending, PendingAndTerminating, Observed or ObservedAndTerminating when the termination decision is made." implies that a transition from Pending directly to Terminating is possible, yet no such transition is depicted in the diagram of the agreement state model. => I am afraid this had been a cut & paste error on my part :-( :-( The pre-thanksgiving version already does have the necessary arrow. No.19) Section 8.2 Forms of Acceptance. The second last sentence: "The initiator MAY still determine the result of by other means such as querying the status of the resulting Agreement." appears to be missing some words between "of" and "by". => ? Will be fixed.:-( Candidate is.. "The initiator MAY still determine the responder?s response to wsag:CreatePendingAgreement offer by other means such as querying the status of the resulting Agreement." #responder's response is a bit redundant.. ----- Toshiyuki Nakata ?????? Executive Chief Engineer, Central Research Lab. NEC 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60035) Fax +81-44-431-7609 (NEC Internal 22-60509) > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PublicComments3-061208.xls Type: application/vnd.ms-excel Size: 64512 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/graap-wg/attachments/20061208/29c8970c/attachment.xls -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That fault indicates that the in the EPR referenced AgreementFactory (instance) is not known to the server. 2. taking that in mind the createAgreement method should also define a ResourceUnavailableFault indicating that the AgreementFactory instance is known but it experiences problems at the time. 3. There should be a general CreateAgreementError that indicates that the creation of an agreement failed. There was a ContinuingFaultError defined for this, however it looks to me that the naming of the error produced some problems in the past and it was therefore removed. Perhaps it is feasible to reintroduce this general error but rename it. (e.g. AgreementCreationError) 4. It would be convenient to have some general error codes defined for things that can go wrong when creating agreements. I would suggest the following: Even if the public comment periode is over I would suggest having at least one separate exception in the schema that can be thrown if an agreement can't be created. Regards, Oliver Waeldrich ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Oliver W?ldrich Fraunhofer-Institute for Algorithms and Scientific Computing (SCAI) Schloss Birlinghoven, D-53754 Sankt Augustin, Germany Tel: +49 2241 14 2830; Fax: +49 2241 14 42830 CoreGRID Network of Excellence www.coregrid.net Institute on Resource Management and Scheduling www.coregrid.net/irms From jim_pruyne at hp.com Wed Dec 20 01:47:24 2006 From: jim_pruyne at hp.com (Jim Pruyne) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 01:47:24 -0600 Subject: [GRAAP-WG] telecon on 12/20 Message-ID: <4588EA8C.7010303@hp.com> Folks, Our last couple telecon attempts have fallen by the way-side. I suggest we try one more time before the end of the year at our usual time. NOTE: the dial-in details have changed. Please check below. We'd like to get organized to address the last round of public comments and complete the WS-Agreement spec. 9:00AM Central Standard Time US (GMT-0600) which should be: 10:00AM Eastern Standard Time US 1500 UK(?) 1600 Germany(?) 0000 Japan (sorry Toshi) Phone Number: 866-480-9967 in the US. 832-445-2343 for those outside the US. Conference code #8578310. --- Jim From jim_pruyne at hp.com Wed Dec 20 10:09:39 2006 From: jim_pruyne at hp.com (Jim Pruyne) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 10:09:39 -0600 Subject: [GRAAP-WG] minutes from 12/20 telecon Message-ID: <45896043.3080409@hp.com> Are attached. --- Jim -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Dec2006-minutes.txt Url: http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/graap-wg/attachments/20061220/e9a27359/attachment.txt From o.f.rana at cs.cardiff.ac.uk Wed Dec 20 15:34:16 2006 From: o.f.rana at cs.cardiff.ac.uk (Omer F. Rana) Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 21:34:16 +0000 Subject: [GRAAP-WG] minutes from 12/20 telecon In-Reply-To: <45896043.3080409@hp.com> References: <45896043.3080409@hp.com> Message-ID: <4589AC58.3070408@cs.cardiff.ac.uk> Dear Jim, Thanks for this. Very useful. Just a couple of things for the next OGF meeting: 1. At the last meeting we had agreed to develop some use cases. I was wondering what the progress on this was -- perhaps, we could identify what work needs to be done on this prior to the OGF 19 meeting? 2. There was also discussion about Interop at the last WS-Agreement session + workshop. What issues do we need to consider? Can we get people to demonstrate their WS-Agreement implementations at the next OGF19 meeting? Perhaps, it would be useful to prepare for what exactly this session should feature? regards Omer Jim Pruyne wrote: > Are attached. > > --- Jim > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Minutes from the December 20, 2006 GRAAP Telecon > >Attendees >--------- >Jim Pruyne >Toshi Nakata >Wolfgang Ziegler > >Discussion >---------- > >>From the most recent comments as shown in Toshi's spreadsheet in email >dated 12/8: > >1) Jim will edit the text accordingly. > >2) Has been completed > >3) Many affiliations are incorrect. We will remove them since it may > be impossible to track them constantly. > >4) Agreed, but outside scope. > >5) It need not apply to a web service, so we need not specify more > clearly. Section 3 does talk about this issue in itemized list > part 2. > >6) Agreed. Perhaps the ValueUnit and ValueExpr should be wrapped in a > tag which can be replicated within the Penalty tag. Let's forward > for discussion to Asit & Heiko and the mailing list. > >7) Agreed, but we cannot fix it. > >8) We think we've done this. > >9) Done. > >10) Done. > >11) Jim will check to see if we should be more "spec. friendly" with a > SHOULD or MAY statement somewhere. > >12) Consensus is that Tiancho's suggestions make sense. > >13 - 16) We'd like to consult the WSDL authors (Heiko) > >17) Done. > >18) This is as we intended, but we need some clarification text. Jim > to do this. > >19) Done. > >* We'll have our next telecon early in Jan., particularly when we have > discussion on the open issues that leads us to believe we can > resolve on the telecon. Most likely date is Jan. 10. > >* We still hope to make interop. discussion a primary topic at the > next OGF meeting in North Carolina. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >-- > graap-wg mailing list > graap-wg at ogf.org > http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/graap-wg > -- http://www.cs.cf.ac.uk/User/O.F.Rana/index.html / work-fax:+44(0)29-2087-4598 work:+44(0)29-2087-5542 / other:+44(0)7956-299981 / distributed collaborative computing / room n2.14 / school of computer science / cardiff university queen's buildings / newport road / cardiff cf24 3aa / wales / uk From t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com Mon Dec 25 19:52:57 2006 From: t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com (Toshiyuki Nakata) Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 10:52:57 +0900 Subject: [GRAAP-WG] minutes from 12/20 telecon In-Reply-To: <45896043.3080409@hp.com> Message-ID: <002201c72890$90af55c0$ab84380a@ISIBASI> Comments List Updated See/Talk to you next year. Happy Holidays Toshi ----- Toshiyuki Nakata ?????? Executive Chief Engineer, Central Research Lab. NEC 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60035) Fax +81-44-431-7609 (NEC Internal 22-60509) > -----Original Message----- > From: graap-wg-bounces at ogf.org > [mailto:graap-wg-bounces at ogf.org] On Behalf Of Jim Pruyne > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:10 AM > To: GRAAP-WG > Subject: [GRAAP-WG] minutes from 12/20 telecon > > Are attached. > > --- Jim > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PublicComments3-061226.xls Type: application/vnd.ms-excel Size: 65024 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/graap-wg/attachments/20061226/f7357fdd/attachment.xls -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Happy holiday, happy new year, Wolfgang Toshiyuki Nakata schrieb: > Comments List Updated See/Talk to you next year. > Happy Holidays > Toshi > > ----- > Toshiyuki Nakata ?????? > Executive Chief Engineer, Central Research Lab. NEC > 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, > Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan > Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60035) > Fax +81-44-431-7609 (NEC Internal 22-60509) > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: graap-wg-bounces at ogf.org >> [mailto:graap-wg-bounces at ogf.org] On Behalf Of Jim Pruyne >> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 1:10 AM >> To: GRAAP-WG >> Subject: [GRAAP-WG] minutes from 12/20 telecon >> >> Are attached. >> >> --- Jim >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -- >> graap-wg mailing list >> graap-wg at ogf.org >> http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/graap-wg -- Wolfgang Ziegler www.scai.fraunhofer.de/ziegler.html Fraunhofer-Institute for Algorithms and Scientific Computing (SCAI) Schloss Birlinghoven, D-53754 Sankt Augustin, Germany Tel: +49 2241 14 2258; Fax: +49 2241 14 42258 CoreGRID Network of Excellence www.coregrid.net Collaboration Gateway www.coregrid.net/cg Institute on Resource Management and Scheduling www.coregrid.net/irms -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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