From sediga at av8.net Wed Jan 19 12:21:17 2005 From: sediga at av8.net (Art Sedighi) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 13:21:17 -0500 Subject: [graap-wg] Getting back to the swing of things... In-Reply-To: <41C31833.50304@hpl.hp.com> Message-ID: <016a01c4fe53$be5a5bf0$02a8a8c0@SEDIGHINB> Hello everyone, I hope you all had a great Holiday season and New Year. I wanted to take the initiative and get things started with the group, if everyone is ready. Shall we get things going again? Thanks Art From pruyne at hpl.hp.com Thu Jan 20 12:24:30 2005 From: pruyne at hpl.hp.com (Jim Pruyne) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 10:24:30 -0800 Subject: [graap-wg] Planning for GGF13 Message-ID: <41EFF75E.9080102@hpl.hp.com> Folks, First, sorry for my being out of touch for going on a month now. Between holidays, and a very difficult schedule at my day job, I've had no time for coordinating GRAAP things. I would like us to get our plans in place for GGF13. To start, I need a roll call of people who will or will not be attending GGF13. Please respond to the list with a yes or no on whether you will be attending. I will not be able to attend. If we don't have significant participation, I think we may wish to take this GGF off. Our most pressing issue is working through comments on WS-Agreement, but I do not view GGF as a necessary step to do this. If others feel differently, please let me know. --- Jim From Wolfgang.Ziegler at scai.fraunhofer.de Thu Jan 20 12:39:06 2005 From: Wolfgang.Ziegler at scai.fraunhofer.de (Wolfgang Ziegler) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 19:39:06 +0100 Subject: [graap-wg] Planning for GGF13 In-Reply-To: <41EFF75E.9080102@hpl.hp.com> References: <41EFF75E.9080102@hpl.hp.com> Message-ID: <41EFFACA.4090807@scai.fraunhofer.de> Dear all, Jim Pruyne wrote: > Folks, > > First, sorry for my being out of touch for going on a month now. > Between holidays, and a very difficult schedule at my day job, I've had > no time for coordinating GRAAP things. sorry, the same happened for me > > I would like us to get our plans in place for GGF13. To start, I need a > roll call of people who will or will not be attending GGF13. Please > respond to the list with a yes or no on whether you will be attending. > I will not be able to attend. I plan to be there, although I have neither done the registration nor travel arrangements. > If we don't have significant participation, I think we may wish to take > this GGF off. Our most pressing issue is working through comments on > WS-Agreement, but I do not view GGF as a necessary step to do this. If > others feel differently, please let me know. Volker already announced that he can't make it. If there is significant participation I'd offer to chair a session in Seoul dedicated to wrap up with the comments we received so far, cluster them etc. But as Jim said, we don't need this GGF meeting to do this. Best regards Wolfgang > > --- Jim > -- Fraunhofer-Institute for Algorithms and Scientific Computing (SCAI) Schloss Birlinghoven, D-53754 Sankt Augustin, Germany Tel: +49 2241 14 2258 Fax: +49 2241 14 42258 http://www.scai.fraunhofer.de "Heut ist nicht so kalt wie gestern, trotzdem dass heut kaelter ist" From pruyne at hpl.hp.com Thu Jan 20 14:01:15 2005 From: pruyne at hpl.hp.com (Jim Pruyne) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:01:15 -0800 Subject: [graap-wg] Telecon on Jan 24 Message-ID: <41F00E0B.2030805@hpl.hp.com> Folks, We will try to get ourselves back up to speed with a telecon at our usual time. That is Mon. at noon central time US. I want to use this call to get people re-engaged, and planned for GGF and for handling public comments. Sorry for the delay in getting this going again, but holidays (including this past Mon.) and my personal schedule have made it impossible until now. Phone in detals are the same as usual, and the numbers are provided below. Please respond via e-mail, if you can, to my prior note about attending GGF. That will help us know better about what we can expect to paln for during this call. --- Jim Phone Number: 866-673-8466 or 702-477-6031 passcode: 8578310 From keahey at mcs.anl.gov Thu Jan 20 14:52:33 2005 From: keahey at mcs.anl.gov (Kate Keahey) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 14:52:33 -0600 Subject: [graap-wg] Planning for GGF13 In-Reply-To: <41EFF75E.9080102@hpl.hp.com> References: <41EFF75E.9080102@hpl.hp.com> Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.2.20050120145210.02334610@pop.mcs.anl.gov> I don't plan to be there. At 12:24 PM 1/20/2005, Jim Pruyne wrote: >Folks, > >First, sorry for my being out of touch for going on a month now. >Between holidays, and a very difficult schedule at my day job, I've had no >time for coordinating GRAAP things. > >I would like us to get our plans in place for GGF13. To start, I need a >roll call of people who will or will not be attending GGF13. Please >respond to the list with a yes or no on whether you will be attending. >I will not be able to attend. >If we don't have significant participation, I think we may wish to take >this GGF off. Our most pressing issue is working through comments on >WS-Agreement, but I do not view GGF as a necessary step to do this. If >others feel differently, please let me know. > >--- Jim __________________________ Dr. Kate Keahey Math & Computer Science Div. Argonne National Laboratory Argonne, IL 60439, USA (630) 252-1673 From asit at us.ibm.com Thu Jan 20 16:22:12 2005 From: asit at us.ibm.com (Asit Dan) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 17:22:12 -0500 Subject: [graap-wg] Planning for GGF13 In-Reply-To: <41EFF75E.9080102@hpl.hp.com> Message-ID: Jim, I will not be attending GGF13. Regards. Asit Dan, Ph.D. Manager, Autonomic Service Oriented Computing IBM T.J. Watson Research Center, 19 Skyline Drive, Hawthorne, NY 10532 Phone: (914) 784-6677; Fax. x6040; Internet: asit at us.ibm.com Jim Pruyne Sent by: owner-graap-wg at ggf.org 01/20/2005 01:24 PM To GRAAP-WG cc Subject [graap-wg] Planning for GGF13 Folks, First, sorry for my being out of touch for going on a month now. Between holidays, and a very difficult schedule at my day job, I've had no time for coordinating GRAAP things. I would like us to get our plans in place for GGF13. To start, I need a roll call of people who will or will not be attending GGF13. Please respond to the list with a yes or no on whether you will be attending. I will not be able to attend. If we don't have significant participation, I think we may wish to take this GGF off. Our most pressing issue is working through comments on WS-Agreement, but I do not view GGF as a necessary step to do this. If others feel differently, please let me know. --- Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/graap-wg/attachments/20050120/9c8797bb/attachment.html From t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com Thu Jan 20 18:44:33 2005 From: t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com (Toshiyuki Nakata) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 09:44:33 +0900 Subject: [graap-wg] Planning for GGF13 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41F05071.5050109@cw.jp.nec.com> Jim,: I have a commitment to be in Japan on the 15th March. If necessary, I can attend just the 16th March. best regards Toshi Asit Dan wrote: >Jim, > I will not be attending GGF13. > >Regards. >Asit Dan, Ph.D. >Manager, Autonomic Service Oriented Computing >IBM T.J. Watson Research Center, >19 Skyline Drive, Hawthorne, NY 10532 >Phone: (914) 784-6677; Fax. x6040; >Internet: asit at us.ibm.com > > > >Jim Pruyne >Sent by: owner-graap-wg at ggf.org >01/20/2005 01:24 PM > >To >GRAAP-WG >cc > >Subject >[graap-wg] Planning for GGF13 > > > > > > >Folks, > >First, sorry for my being out of touch for going on a month now. >Between holidays, and a very difficult schedule at my day job, I've had >no time for coordinating GRAAP things. > >I would like us to get our plans in place for GGF13. To start, I need a >roll call of people who will or will not be attending GGF13. Please >respond to the list with a yes or no on whether you will be attending. >I will not be able to attend. > >If we don't have significant participation, I think we may wish to take >this GGF off. Our most pressing issue is working through comments on >WS-Agreement, but I do not view GGF as a necessary step to do this. If >others feel differently, please let me know. > >--- Jim > > > > > -- We have moved to a new Office!! Toshiyuki Nakata ????? Internet System Laboratories NEC t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60210) Fax +81-44-431-7681 (NEC Internal 22-60219) From alain at ISI.EDU Thu Jan 20 20:09:30 2005 From: alain at ISI.EDU (Alain Andrieux) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:09:30 -0800 Subject: [graap-wg] Planning for GGF13 References: <41EFF75E.9080102@hpl.hp.com> Message-ID: <043101c4ff5e$40f4cbd0$295cfea9@aat40> I will not go to GGF13. As some of you know, I will stop working in the US on March 1st (because of an expiring visa) and therefore I do not plan to be attending GGF13. I hope I can continue to participate in GRAAP-WG though, one way or another. Alain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Pruyne" To: "GRAAP-WG" Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 10:24 AM Subject: [graap-wg] Planning for GGF13 > Folks, > > First, sorry for my being out of touch for going on a month now. > Between holidays, and a very difficult schedule at my day job, I've had > no time for coordinating GRAAP things. > > I would like us to get our plans in place for GGF13. To start, I need a > roll call of people who will or will not be attending GGF13. Please > respond to the list with a yes or no on whether you will be attending. > I will not be able to attend. > > If we don't have significant participation, I think we may wish to take > this GGF off. Our most pressing issue is working through comments on > WS-Agreement, but I do not view GGF as a necessary step to do this. If > others feel differently, please let me know. > > --- Jim > From alain at ISI.EDU Thu Jan 20 20:12:48 2005 From: alain at ISI.EDU (Alain Andrieux) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 18:12:48 -0800 Subject: [graap-wg] Telecon on Jan 24 References: <41F00E0B.2030805@hpl.hp.com> Message-ID: <044301c4ff5e$b6cf3ca0$295cfea9@aat40> I am glad that we are getting back to some activity! :-) I'll be late for the call though: I won't make it before 10:30am. What I would like us to address is the comments we had at GGF12. We still haven't planned anything in terms of what was suggested. I just do know how that fits in the public period comment. Do we have to wait for it to be over before making any modifications to the draft? Alain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Pruyne" To: "GRAAP-WG" Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:01 PM Subject: [graap-wg] Telecon on Jan 24 > Folks, > > We will try to get ourselves back up to speed with a telecon at our > usual time. That is Mon. at noon central time US. I want to use this > call to get people re-engaged, and planned for GGF and for handling > public comments. Sorry for the delay in getting this going again, but > holidays (including this past Mon.) and my personal schedule have made > it impossible until now. Phone in detals are the same as usual, and the > numbers are provided below. > > Please respond via e-mail, if you can, to my prior note about attending > GGF. That will help us know better about what we can expect to paln for > during this call. > > --- Jim > > Phone Number: 866-673-8466 or 702-477-6031 passcode: 8578310 > > From hludwig at us.ibm.com Thu Jan 20 20:32:34 2005 From: hludwig at us.ibm.com (Heiko Ludwig) Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 21:32:34 -0500 Subject: [graap-wg] Telecon on Jan 24 In-Reply-To: <044301c4ff5e$b6cf3ca0$295cfea9@aat40> Message-ID: Likewise, I am happy to return to a regular call schedule. We can start discussing the comments that are submitted already. Heiko ----- Heiko Ludwig, Dr. rer. pol. IBM TJ Watson Research Center, PO Box 704, Yorktown, NY, 10598 hludwig at us.ibm.com, tel. +1 914 784 7160, mob. +1 646 236 9453 http://www.research.ibm.com/people/h/hludwig/ "Alain Andrieux" Sent by: owner-graap-wg at ggf.org 01/20/2005 09:12 PM To "Jim Pruyne" , "GRAAP-WG" cc Subject Re: [graap-wg] Telecon on Jan 24 I am glad that we are getting back to some activity! :-) I'll be late for the call though: I won't make it before 10:30am. What I would like us to address is the comments we had at GGF12. We still haven't planned anything in terms of what was suggested. I just do know how that fits in the public period comment. Do we have to wait for it to be over before making any modifications to the draft? Alain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Pruyne" To: "GRAAP-WG" Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:01 PM Subject: [graap-wg] Telecon on Jan 24 > Folks, > > We will try to get ourselves back up to speed with a telecon at our > usual time. That is Mon. at noon central time US. I want to use this > call to get people re-engaged, and planned for GGF and for handling > public comments. Sorry for the delay in getting this going again, but > holidays (including this past Mon.) and my personal schedule have made > it impossible until now. Phone in detals are the same as usual, and the > numbers are provided below. > > Please respond via e-mail, if you can, to my prior note about attending > GGF. That will help us know better about what we can expect to paln for > during this call. > > --- Jim > > Phone Number: 866-673-8466 or 702-477-6031 passcode: 8578310 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Watson Research Center, > 19 Skyline Drive, Hawthorne, NY 10532 > Phone: (914) 784-6677; Fax. x6040; > Internet: asit at us.ibm.com > > > > Jim Pruyne > Sent by: owner-graap-wg at ggf.org > 01/20/2005 01:24 PM > > To > GRAAP-WG > cc > > Subject > [graap-wg] Planning for GGF13 > > > > > > > Folks, > > First, sorry for my being out of touch for going on a month now. > Between holidays, and a very difficult schedule at my day job, I've had > no time for coordinating GRAAP things. > > I would like us to get our plans in place for GGF13. To start, I need a > roll call of people who will or will not be attending GGF13. Please > respond to the list with a yes or no on whether you will be attending. > I will not be able to attend. > > If we don't have significant participation, I think we may wish to take > this GGF off. Our most pressing issue is working through comments on > WS-Agreement, but I do not view GGF as a necessary step to do this. If > others feel differently, please let me know. > > --- Jim > > > -- -- ****************************************************** Jose Luis Vazquez Poletti 01001010 01101111 01110011 01100101 01001100 01110101 01101001 01110011 01010110 01100001 01111010 01110001 01110101 01100101 01111010 01010000 01101111 01101100 01100101 01110100 01110100 01101001 Distributed Systems Architecture & Security Group Dpto. de Arquitectura de Computadores y Automatica Facultad de Informatica Universidad Complutense de Madrid Spain http://asds.dacya.ucm.es/jlvazquez/ ****************************************************** From tiziana.ferrari at cnaf.infn.it Fri Jan 21 03:49:13 2005 From: tiziana.ferrari at cnaf.infn.it (Tiziana Ferrari) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 10:49:13 +0100 Subject: [graap-wg] question regarding offer example (pp. 48-51) Message-ID: <005401c4ff9e$7a0d63b0$29039a83@antares> Hi all, I have a question regarding the offer example appears in the appendix of the ws-agreement specification (latest version of the document). In that example there's a service description term that refers to service name "ComputeJob2", but the service scope of the guarantees all point to "ComputeJob1". I don't see the need of having service names that never appear in at least one guarantee term scope. Could you explain the meaning of this? Thank you in advance, Tiziana ******************************************** Tiziana Ferrari Tiziana.Ferrari at cnaf.infn.it Italian National Inst. for Nuclear Physics / CNAF v.le Berti Pichat 6/2, 40127 BOLOGNA, ITALY tel: +39.051.6092.759 fax:+39.051.6092.746 http://www.cnaf.infn.it/~ferrari ******************************************** From t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com Fri Jan 21 04:03:51 2005 From: t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com (Toshiyuki Nakata) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 19:03:51 +0900 Subject: [graap-wg] Telecon on Jan 24 In-Reply-To: <41F00E0B.2030805@hpl.hp.com> References: <41F00E0B.2030805@hpl.hp.com> Message-ID: <41F0D387.3080104@cw.jp.nec.com> Hello. Jim Pruyne wrote: > Folks, > > We will try to get ourselves back up to speed with a telecon at our > usual time. That is Mon. at noon central time US. Could you tell me what time this would be in GMT? I can then add 9 to see what time it would be in Japan... Best regards Toshi | > I want to use this call to get people re-engaged, and planned for GGF > and for handling public comments. Sorry for the delay in getting this > going again, but holidays (including this past Mon.) and my personal > schedule have made it impossible until now. Phone in detals are the > same as usual, and the numbers are provided below. > > Please respond via e-mail, if you can, to my prior note about > attending GGF. That will help us know better about what we can expect > to paln for during this call. > > --- Jim > > Phone Number: 866-673-8466 or 702-477-6031 passcode: 8578310 > > > -- We have moved to a new Office!! Toshiyuki Nakata ????? Internet System Laboratories NEC t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60210) Fax +81-44-431-7681 (NEC Internal 22-60219) From hludwig at us.ibm.com Fri Jan 21 12:19:33 2005 From: hludwig at us.ibm.com (Heiko Ludwig) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:19:33 -0500 Subject: [graap-wg] question regarding offer example (pp. 48-51) In-Reply-To: <005401c4ff9e$7a0d63b0$29039a83@antares> Message-ID: Tiziana, the idea of the service description terms was to enable the description of a service, potentially from different perspectives by using multiple service description terms. The service name should help the specifiers which term belongs to which service, not just a target to point guarantee terms to. Guarantee terms are a good means to define those aspects of a service whose compliance you want to monitor individually, not summararily as part of the service. In the given example, we may interpret that both parties are happy if the service is performed, without specifying detailed guarantees. Whether this is realistic is another question. The examples are mainly to illustrate the syntax and cannot be analyzed too thoroughly for their semantic content. What I really mean is we are lacking a good primer ... Heiko ----- Heiko Ludwig, Dr. rer. pol. IBM TJ Watson Research Center, PO Box 704, Yorktown, NY, 10598 hludwig at us.ibm.com, tel. +1 914 784 7160, mob. +1 646 236 9453 http://www.research.ibm.com/people/h/hludwig/ "Tiziana Ferrari" Sent by: owner-graap-wg at ggf.org 01/21/2005 04:49 AM To cc Subject [graap-wg] question regarding offer example (pp. 48-51) Hi all, I have a question regarding the offer example appears in the appendix of the ws-agreement specification (latest version of the document). In that example there's a service description term that refers to service name "ComputeJob2", but the service scope of the guarantees all point to "ComputeJob1". I don't see the need of having service names that never appear in at least one guarantee term scope. Could you explain the meaning of this? Thank you in advance, Tiziana ******************************************** Tiziana Ferrari Tiziana.Ferrari at cnaf.infn.it Italian National Inst. for Nuclear Physics / CNAF v.le Berti Pichat 6/2, 40127 BOLOGNA, ITALY tel: +39.051.6092.759 fax:+39.051.6092.746 http://www.cnaf.infn.it/~ferrari ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/graap-wg/attachments/20050121/a1ba6aaf/attachment.html From nakata at mtg.biglobe.ne.jp Fri Jan 21 17:46:57 2005 From: nakata at mtg.biglobe.ne.jp (Toshiyuki Nakata) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 08:46:57 +0900 Subject: [graap-wg] Telecon on Jan 24 In-Reply-To: <41F0D387.3080104@cw.jp.nec.com> References: <41F00E0B.2030805@hpl.hp.com> <41F0D387.3080104@cw.jp.nec.com> Message-ID: <41F19471.1050408@mtg.biglobe.ne.jp> Hi: Karl kindly introduced me to a modern Unix trick. I am afraid 3:00 AM is a bit too tough for me. Best Regards Toshi Toshiyuki Nakata wrote: > Hello. > > Jim Pruyne wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> We will try to get ourselves back up to speed with a telecon at our >> usual time. That is Mon. at noon central time US. > > > > Could you tell me what time this would be in GMT? I can then add 9 to > see what time it would be in Japan... > > Best regards > Toshi > > | > >> I want to use this call to get people re-engaged, and planned for GGF >> and for handling public comments. Sorry for the delay in getting this >> going again, but holidays (including this past Mon.) and my personal >> schedule have made it impossible until now. Phone in detals are the >> same as usual, and the numbers are provided below. >> >> Please respond via e-mail, if you can, to my prior note about >> attending GGF. That will help us know better about what we can expect >> to paln for during this call. >> >> --- Jim >> >> Phone Number: 866-673-8466 or 702-477-6031 passcode: 8578310 >> >> >> > -- Toshiyuki Nakata t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 8-22-60210) From hludwig at us.ibm.com Sat Jan 22 20:41:53 2005 From: hludwig at us.ibm.com (Heiko Ludwig) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:41:53 -0500 Subject: [graap-wg] Fw: Second IEEE International Workshop on Electronic Contracting (WEC '05) Message-ID: Dear GRAAP working group, while not directly related to the GRAAP work, this might be of interest to the members of the group. Regards, Heiko ------------------------------------------------------- Second IEEE International Workshop on Electronic Contracting (WEC '05) July 18, 2005, Munich, Germany http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Claudio_Bartolini/Wec05.html Call for Papers Real world commerce is largely built on a fabric of contracts. Considered abstractly, a contract is an agreed framework of rules used by separately interested parties to coordinate their plans in order to realize cooperative opportunities, while simultaneously limiting their risk from each other's misbehavior. Electronic commerce is encouraging the growth of contract-like mechanisms whose terms are partially machine understandable and enforceable. Building on the success of the First IEEE International Workshop on Electronic Contracting (WEC-04), this second edition is the forum to discuss innovative ideas at the interface between business, legal, and formal notions of contracts. The target audiences will be mainly researchers, scientists, software architects, but also contract lawyers, economists, and industry professionals who need to be acquainted with the state of the art technologies and the future trends in electronic contracting. The event will take place in Munich, Germany on July 18, 2005. IEEE WEC 2005 will be held in conjunction with The International Conference on Electronic Commerce (IEEE CEC 2005). Topics of interest include but are not limited to the following: Contract languages and user interfaces Computer aided contract design, construction, and composition Computer aided approaches to contract negotiation Role of electronic contracts in IT governance Relationship of electronic and legal enforcement mechanisms Electronic vs. legal concepts of non-repudiation Privacy vs. reputation and recourse Contracts and mechanism design Submissions Authors are invited to submit original and significant research contributions in the aforementioned areas. All submissions will be peer-reviewed by the members of the international program committee. We are negotiating to publish the proceedings in the Springer Lecture Notes in Computer Science. Full papers must not exceed 16 pages and conform to the LNCS style. We accept papers in PDF and PS format. Important Dates Paper submission: February 28, 2005 Paper notification: April 7, 2005 Camera-ready papers: April 30, 2005 Workshop Date: July 18, 2005 Workshop Chairs Claudio Bartolini, HP Laboratories, USA, claudio.bartolini at hp.com Mathias Sall?, HP Laboratories, USA, mathias.salle at hp.com Program Committee Samuil Angelov (Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands) Boualem Benatallah (University of New South Wales, Australia) Asit Dan (IBM Research, USA) Aspassia Daskalopulu (University of Thessaly, Greece) Marlon Dumas (Queesland University of Technology, Australia) Andrew Farrell (Imperial College London, UK) Anthony Finkelstein (University College London, UK) Chiara Francalanci (Politecnico di Milano, Italy) Claude Godart (University Henri Poincar? 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URL: http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/graap-wg/attachments/20050122/32975e52/attachment.html From hludwig at us.ibm.com Sat Jan 22 20:48:29 2005 From: hludwig at us.ibm.com (Heiko Ludwig) Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 21:48:29 -0500 Subject: [graap-wg] Telecon on Jan 24 In-Reply-To: <41F19471.1050408@mtg.biglobe.ne.jp> Message-ID: Considering that we have now interest in the GRAAP work from people residing in East Asia, we should discuss whether we we would get on a call schedule that distributes the pain and does not effectively preclude people outside Europe and the Americas to participate. Maybe we can make this a topic on next Monday's call. Heiko ----- Heiko Ludwig, Dr. rer. pol. IBM TJ Watson Research Center, PO Box 704, Yorktown, NY, 10598 hludwig at us.ibm.com, tel. +1 914 784 7160, mob. +1 646 236 9453 http://www.research.ibm.com/people/h/hludwig/ Toshiyuki Nakata Sent by: owner-graap-wg at ggf.org 01/21/2005 06:46 PM Please respond to t-nakata To t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com cc Jim Pruyne , GRAAP-WG Subject Re: [graap-wg] Telecon on Jan 24 Hi: Karl kindly introduced me to a modern Unix trick. I am afraid 3:00 AM is a bit too tough for me. Best Regards Toshi Toshiyuki Nakata wrote: > Hello. > > Jim Pruyne wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> We will try to get ourselves back up to speed with a telecon at our >> usual time. That is Mon. at noon central time US. > > > > Could you tell me what time this would be in GMT? I can then add 9 to > see what time it would be in Japan... > > Best regards > Toshi > > | > >> I want to use this call to get people re-engaged, and planned for GGF >> and for handling public comments. Sorry for the delay in getting this >> going again, but holidays (including this past Mon.) and my personal >> schedule have made it impossible until now. Phone in detals are the >> same as usual, and the numbers are provided below. >> >> Please respond via e-mail, if you can, to my prior note about >> attending GGF. That will help us know better about what we can expect >> to paln for during this call. >> >> --- Jim >> >> Phone Number: 866-673-8466 or 702-477-6031 passcode: 8578310 >> >> >> > -- Toshiyuki Nakata t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 8-22-60210) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/graap-wg/attachments/20050122/b30d3c7c/attachment.html From pruyne at hpl.hp.com Sun Jan 23 14:19:48 2005 From: pruyne at hpl.hp.com (Jim Pruyne) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 12:19:48 -0800 Subject: [graap-wg] Telecon on Jan 24 In-Reply-To: <41F0D387.3080104@cw.jp.nec.com> References: <41F00E0B.2030805@hpl.hp.com> <41F0D387.3080104@cw.jp.nec.com> Message-ID: <41F406E4.9080206@hpl.hp.com> Toshi, US Central time is GMT-0600, so if I'm not mistaken, the time would be 1800 GMT (or 6PM as we might say in the US). I hope that works for conversion to time there, and I look forward to hearing from you. --- Jim Toshiyuki Nakata wrote: > Hello. > > Jim Pruyne wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> We will try to get ourselves back up to speed with a telecon at our >> usual time. That is Mon. at noon central time US. > > > > Could you tell me what time this would be in GMT? I can then add 9 to > see what time it would be in Japan... > > Best regards > Toshi > > | > >> I want to use this call to get people re-engaged, and planned for GGF >> and for handling public comments. Sorry for the delay in getting this >> going again, but holidays (including this past Mon.) and my personal >> schedule have made it impossible until now. Phone in detals are the >> same as usual, and the numbers are provided below. >> >> Please respond via e-mail, if you can, to my prior note about >> attending GGF. That will help us know better about what we can expect >> to paln for during this call. >> >> --- Jim >> >> Phone Number: 866-673-8466 or 702-477-6031 passcode: 8578310 >> >> >> > From tiziana.ferrari at cnaf.infn.it Mon Jan 24 05:25:00 2005 From: tiziana.ferrari at cnaf.infn.it (Tiziana Ferrari) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:25:00 +0100 Subject: [graap-wg] question about agreement status Message-ID: <00c101c50207$5a757180$29039a83@antares> Hi all, I have a question regarding the agreement state types schema. On page 44 of the latest draft version, three AgreementStateType values are listed: "beforeObserved", "observed" and "afterObserved"; but apparently the meaning of the three attributes is not documented in the text. Is this intentional? Thanks, Tiziana ******************************************** Tiziana Ferrari Tiziana.Ferrari at cnaf.infn.it Italian National Inst. for Nuclear Physics / CNAF v.le Berti Pichat 6/2, 40127 BOLOGNA, ITALY tel: +39.051.6092.759 fax:+39.051.6092.746 http://www.cnaf.infn.it/~ferrari ******************************************** From nakata at mtg.biglobe.ne.jp Mon Jan 24 08:06:43 2005 From: nakata at mtg.biglobe.ne.jp (Toshiyuki Nakata) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:06:43 +0900 Subject: [graap-wg] Telecon on Jan 24 In-Reply-To: <41F406E4.9080206@hpl.hp.com> References: <41F00E0B.2030805@hpl.hp.com> <41F0D387.3080104@cw.jp.nec.com> <41F406E4.9080206@hpl.hp.com> Message-ID: <41F500F3.40601@mtg.biglobe.ne.jp> Jim:Thank you vry much for your comments. I'm afraid it's already past 23:00 now. Please tell us what we can do to contribute. Best Regards Toshi Jim Pruyne wrote: > Toshi, > > US Central time is GMT-0600, so if I'm not mistaken, the time would be > 1800 GMT (or 6PM as we might say in the US). I hope that works for > conversion to time there, and I look forward to hearing from you. > > --- Jim > > Toshiyuki Nakata wrote: > >> Hello. >> >> Jim Pruyne wrote: >> >>> Folks, >>> >>> We will try to get ourselves back up to speed with a telecon at our >>> usual time. That is Mon. at noon central time US. >> >> >> >> >> Could you tell me what time this would be in GMT? I can then add 9 to >> see what time it would be in Japan... >> >> Best regards >> Toshi >> >> | >> >>> I want to use this call to get people re-engaged, and planned for GGF >>> and for handling public comments. Sorry for the delay in getting this >>> going again, but holidays (including this past Mon.) and my personal >>> schedule have made it impossible until now. Phone in detals are the >>> same as usual, and the numbers are provided below. >>> >>> Please respond via e-mail, if you can, to my prior note about >>> attending GGF. That will help us know better about what we can expect >>> to paln for during this call. >>> >>> --- Jim >>> >>> Phone Number: 866-673-8466 or 702-477-6031 passcode: 8578310 >>> >>> >>> >> > > -- Toshiyuki Nakata t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 8-22-60210) From rofrano at us.ibm.com Mon Jan 24 08:31:53 2005 From: rofrano at us.ibm.com (John Rofrano) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 09:31:53 -0500 Subject: [graap-wg] Planning for GGF13 In-Reply-To: <41EFF75E.9080102@hpl.hp.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, I will not be attending GGF13. jr John J. Rofrano Senior Technical Staff Member IBM On Demand Architecture (914) 513-5079 (TL: 8/930-5134) ...it's a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma! owner-graap-wg at ggf.org wrote on 01/20/2005 01:24:30 PM: > Folks, > > First, sorry for my being out of touch for going on a month now. > Between holidays, and a very difficult schedule at my day job, I've had > no time for coordinating GRAAP things. > > I would like us to get our plans in place for GGF13. To start, I need a > roll call of people who will or will not be attending GGF13. Please > respond to the list with a yes or no on whether you will be attending. > I will not be able to attend. > > If we don't have significant participation, I think we may wish to take > this GGF off. Our most pressing issue is working through comments on > WS-Agreement, but I do not view GGF as a necessary step to do this. If > others feel differently, please let me know. > > --- Jim > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/graap-wg/attachments/20050124/c4b9a15a/attachment.html From hludwig at us.ibm.com Mon Jan 24 09:29:24 2005 From: hludwig at us.ibm.com (Heiko Ludwig) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 10:29:24 -0500 Subject: [graap-wg] question about agreement status In-Reply-To: <00c101c50207$5a757180$29039a83@antares> Message-ID: Tiziana, As far as I am concerned, it is an omission. Could you put it in the official comments list, that we don't forget it when revising the final version? Heiko ----- Heiko Ludwig, Dr. rer. pol. IBM TJ Watson Research Center, PO Box 704, Yorktown, NY, 10598 hludwig at us.ibm.com, tel. +1 914 784 7160, mob. +1 646 236 9453 http://www.research.ibm.com/people/h/hludwig/ "Tiziana Ferrari" Sent by: owner-graap-wg at ggf.org 01/24/2005 06:25 AM To cc , "valentina medici" Subject [graap-wg] question about agreement status Hi all, I have a question regarding the agreement state types schema. On page 44 of the latest draft version, three AgreementStateType values are listed: "beforeObserved", "observed" and "afterObserved"; but apparently the meaning of the three attributes is not documented in the text. Is this intentional? Thanks, Tiziana ******************************************** Tiziana Ferrari Tiziana.Ferrari at cnaf.infn.it Italian National Inst. for Nuclear Physics / CNAF v.le Berti Pichat 6/2, 40127 BOLOGNA, ITALY tel: +39.051.6092.759 fax:+39.051.6092.746 http://www.cnaf.infn.it/~ferrari ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/graap-wg/attachments/20050124/6785ec23/attachment.html From alain at ISI.EDU Mon Jan 24 13:00:42 2005 From: alain at ISI.EDU (Alain Andrieux) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:00:42 -0800 Subject: [graap-wg] Fw: Second IEEE International Workshop on Electronic Contracting (WEC '05) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200501241059.46437.alain@isi.edu> Heiko, I see you are on the committee. Are you going to present WS-Agreement there? It would fit in I think. Alain On Saturday 22 January 2005 18:41, Heiko Ludwig wrote: > Dear GRAAP working group, > > while not directly related to the GRAAP work, this might be of interest to > the members of the group. > > Regards, > Heiko > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Second IEEE International Workshop on > Electronic Contracting (WEC '05) > July 18, 2005, Munich, Germany > http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Claudio_Bartolini/Wec05.html > > Call for Papers > > Real world commerce is largely built on a fabric of contracts. Considered > abstractly, a contract is an agreed framework of rules used by separately > interested parties to coordinate their plans in order to realize > cooperative opportunities, while simultaneously limiting their risk from > each other's misbehavior. Electronic commerce is encouraging the growth of > contract-like mechanisms whose terms are partially machine understandable > and enforceable. > > Building on the success of the First IEEE International Workshop on > Electronic Contracting (WEC-04), this second edition is the forum to > discuss innovative ideas at the interface between business, legal, and > formal notions of contracts. The target audiences will be mainly > researchers, scientists, software architects, but also contract lawyers, > economists, and industry professionals who need to be acquainted with the > state of the art technologies and the future trends in electronic > contracting. The event will take place in Munich, Germany on July 18, > 2005. IEEE WEC 2005 will be held in conjunction with The International > Conference on Electronic Commerce (IEEE CEC 2005). > > Topics of interest include but are not limited to the following: > > Contract languages and user interfaces > Computer aided contract design, construction, and composition Computer > aided approaches to contract negotiation Role of electronic contracts in > IT governance Relationship of electronic and legal enforcement mechanisms > Electronic vs. legal concepts of non-repudiation Privacy vs. reputation > and recourse Contracts and mechanism design > > Submissions > > Authors are invited to submit original and significant research > contributions in the aforementioned areas. All submissions will be > peer-reviewed by the members of the international program committee. We > are negotiating to publish the proceedings in the Springer Lecture Notes > in Computer Science. Full papers must not exceed 16 pages and conform to > the LNCS style. We accept papers in PDF and PS format. > > Important Dates > > Paper submission: February 28, 2005 > Paper notification: April 7, 2005 > Camera-ready papers: April 30, 2005 > Workshop Date: July 18, 2005 > > Workshop Chairs > > Claudio Bartolini, HP Laboratories, USA, claudio.bartolini at hp.com Mathias > Sall?, HP Laboratories, USA, mathias.salle at hp.com > > Program Committee > > Samuil Angelov (Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands) > Boualem Benatallah (University of New South Wales, Australia) Asit Dan > (IBM Research, USA) Aspassia Daskalopulu (University of Thessaly, Greece) > Marlon Dumas (Queesland University of Technology, Australia) Andrew > Farrell (Imperial College London, UK) Anthony Finkelstein (University > College London, UK) Chiara Francalanci (Politecnico di Milano, Italy) > Claude Godart (University Henri Poincar? Nancy 1 and INRIA, France) Ian > Grigg (Systemics, USA) Alexander Keller (IBM Research, USA) Cuihong Li > (Carnegie-Mellon University, USA) Heiko Ludwig (IBM Research, USA) Emil > Lupu (Imperial College London, UK) Tom Maibaum (McMaster University, > Canada) Dave Marvit (Fujitsu Laboratories, USA) Zoran Milosevic (DSTC, > Australia) Enrico Nardelli (NESTOR - Universita' di Roma Tor Vergata, > Italy) Andrea Omicini (University of Bologna, Italy) Barbara Pernici > (Politecnico di Milano, Italy) Chris Preist (HP Laboratories, UK) Wim Van > Grembergen (University of Antwerp, Belgium) Andreas Wombacher (University > of Twente, The Netherlands) -- Alain Andrieux Globus Alliance Information Sciences Institute - USC If you are replying to this message on a support list, please keep the list address in the cc: field; otherwise your message will be ignored. From hludwig at us.ibm.com Wed Jan 26 12:37:25 2005 From: hludwig at us.ibm.com (Heiko Ludwig) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 13:37:25 -0500 Subject: [graap-wg] Created Comments from the GGF 12 minutes and mailing list discussions Message-ID: Dear GRAAP memebers, as discussed in Monday's phone call, I went through the minutes, Alain's notes and some GRAAP mailing list discussion and created a set of official comments from them. They are not item by item from the texts but I tried to aggregate subjects, such as those relating to the complexity of the spec into one comment. Erroneously, I also created a comment on a comment (the complexity one), which I ask you to ignore. Regards, Heiko ----- Heiko Ludwig, Dr. rer. pol. IBM TJ Watson Research Center, PO Box 704, Yorktown, NY, 10598 hludwig at us.ibm.com, tel. +1 914 784 7160, mob. +1 646 236 9453 http://www.research.ibm.com/people/h/hludwig/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/graap-wg/attachments/20050126/49ffbe81/attachment.html From nakata at mtg.biglobe.ne.jp Wed Jan 26 14:04:44 2005 From: nakata at mtg.biglobe.ne.jp (Toshiyuki Nakata) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 05:04:44 +0900 Subject: [graap-wg] OGSA EMS Profile In-Reply-To: <200501241059.46437.alain@isi.edu> References: <200501241059.46437.alain@isi.edu> Message-ID: <41F7F7DC.4080105@mtg.biglobe.ne.jp> Sorry this is not related to the public comments but I think it could be important. Please take a look at OGSA minutes. https://forge.gridforum.org/projects/ogsa-wg/document/minutes-ems-20050117/en/1 WS-Agreement is mentioned.. (But the context is not so clear to me...) Best Regards Toshi -- Toshiyuki Nakata t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 8-22-60210) From pruyne at hpl.hp.com Mon Jan 31 02:24:34 2005 From: pruyne at hpl.hp.com (Jim Pruyne) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 02:24:34 -0600 Subject: [graap-wg] next teleconference Message-ID: <41FDEB42.1060801@hpl.hp.com> All, The next teleconference will be on Mon. Jan 31. We are changing time with some hope this will better support people around the world. We'll hold the conference at 4PM central time (GMT-0600) in the US. That's four hours later than previously. As always, I have little faith in my ability to translate between time zones around the world, but here goes: Germany/Central Europe 11:00PM (2300) UK/GMT 10:00PM (2200) Eastern US 5:00PM Pacific US 2:00PM Japan 7:00AM (0700) The number will be the same as we typically use: 866-673-8466 or 702-477-6031 passcode: 8578310 Thanks. --- Jim From nakata at mtg.biglobe.ne.jp Mon Jan 31 05:11:29 2005 From: nakata at mtg.biglobe.ne.jp (Toshiyuki Nakata) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 20:11:29 +0900 Subject: [graap-wg] next teleconference In-Reply-To: <41FDEB42.1060801@hpl.hp.com> References: <41FDEB42.1060801@hpl.hp.com> Message-ID: <41FE1261.5000608@mtg.biglobe.ne.jp> Hello: thank you very much for letting us into realistic time-slot. I hope we have not distrubed too many of the members. I'll try to be there (unless problem with international phones from home etc..) If I over-sleep, anyone who remembers that will have a right for a beer (or vodka or fresh juice ) whenenever he/she reminds me on the next GGF meeting. (I'm hoping that people will have sho0t memories:-)) Anyway thanks again and i hope we can discuss this OGSA EMS profile also. Best Regards Toshi Jim Pruyne wrote: > All, > > The next teleconference will be on Mon. Jan 31. We are changing time > with some hope this will better support people around the world. We'll > hold the conference at 4PM central time (GMT-0600) in the US. That's > four hours later than previously. As always, I have little faith in my > ability to translate between time zones around the world, but here goes: > Germany/Central Europe 11:00PM (2300) > UK/GMT 10:00PM (2200) > Eastern US 5:00PM > Pacific US 2:00PM > Japan 7:00AM (0700) > > The number will be the same as we typically use: > 866-673-8466 or 702-477-6031 passcode: 8578310 > > Thanks. > > --- Jim > > > > > -- Toshiyuki Nakata t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 8-22-60210) From pruyne at hpl.hp.com Mon Jan 31 16:54:50 2005 From: pruyne at hpl.hp.com (Jim Pruyne) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 16:54:50 -0600 Subject: [graap-wg] notes/minutes from 1/31/05 teleconference Message-ID: <41FEB73A.80401@hpl.hp.com> They are attached. Next call will be on Feb. 7 at the same time as this week. Thanks everyone for dialing in. --- Jim -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Jan3105-minutes.txt Url: http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/graap-wg/attachments/20050131/87da5bfd/attachment.txt From hludwig at us.ibm.com Mon Jan 31 17:18:02 2005 From: hludwig at us.ibm.com (Heiko Ludwig) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 18:18:02 -0500 Subject: [graap-wg] Decision Criteria for Comments In-Reply-To: <41FEB73A.80401@hpl.hp.com> Message-ID: Dear GRAAP members, now, as we started discussing incoming comments, it would be helpful to have decision-making criteria to streamline discussion. Here is an initial laundry list to start the discussion: - Intended scope of the specification (Does a proposal limit or extend the scope beyond the previous or current consensus of the group?) - Required effort to change the draft (Do we have to rewrite much?) - Implementability (Can it be implemented, the current state of the draft or the proposed change?) - Does a proposal simplify the specification? - Does a proposal simplify the application and implementation of the specification for its intended purpose? - Does the proposal have impact on current and future work of GRAAP or another group? - Does a proposal increase the consistency of the spec or remove an inconsistency? Probably, we will have to make trade-offs between different desirable properties of a proposal in some cases. Heiko ----- Heiko Ludwig, Dr. rer. pol. IBM TJ Watson Research Center, PO Box 704, Yorktown, NY, 10598 hludwig at us.ibm.com, tel. +1 914 784 7160, mob. +1 646 236 9453 http://www.research.ibm.com/people/h/hludwig/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/graap-wg/attachments/20050131/08ede000/attachment.html From t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com Mon Jan 31 18:48:49 2005 From: t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com (Toshiyuki Nakata) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 09:48:49 +0900 Subject: [graap-wg] notes/minutes from 1/31/05 teleconference In-Reply-To: <41FEB73A.80401@hpl.hp.com> References: <41FEB73A.80401@hpl.hp.com> Message-ID: <41FED1F1.6020309@cw.jp.nec.com> Jim Pruyne wrote: > They are attached. Next call will be on Feb. 7 at the same time as > this week. Thanks everyone for dialing in. > > --- Jim > > Thanks for the minutes. |Changing Offers: p. 51 and p. 34 are contradictory about whether the |text of the offered agreement and the final agreement must be |equivalent. One implies that alternatives will be removed. Do we |ultimately think that alternatives are a good idea at this point |(i.e. without negotiation) at all. Toshi to (re-)post introduction to |this discussion. Done. I hope I did it the correct way. I also added a post to Takuya's post so that everyone can know where the relevant material + which part to look for. Best regards Toshi -- We have moved to a new Office!! Toshiyuki Nakata ????? Internet System Laboratories NEC t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60210) Fax +81-44-431-7681 (NEC Internal 22-60219) From t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com Mon Jan 31 20:03:41 2005 From: t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com (Toshiyuki Nakata) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2005 11:03:41 +0900 Subject: [graap-wg] notes/minutes from 1/31/05 teleconference In-Reply-To: <41FED1F1.6020309@cw.jp.nec.com> References: <41FEB73A.80401@hpl.hp.com> <41FED1F1.6020309@cw.jp.nec.com> Message-ID: <41FEE37D.4030908@cw.jp.nec.com> Please note that due to my meddling below, Takuya's comment is on the top of the list but orderwise, that would have been the one to be addressed next. best regards Toshi Toshiyuki Nakata wrote: > > I also added a post to Takuya's post so that everyone can know > where the relevant material + which part to look for. > > Best regards > Toshi -- We have moved to a new Office!! Toshiyuki Nakata ????? Internet System Laboratories NEC t-nakata at cw.jp.nec.com 1753, Shimonumabe, Nakahara-Ku, Kawasaki,Kanagawa 211-8666,Japan Tel +81-44-431-7653 (NEC Internal 22-60210) Fax +81-44-431-7681 (NEC Internal 22-60219)