From m.riedel at fz-juelich.de Thu Sep 2 06:15:27 2010 From: m.riedel at fz-juelich.de (Morris Riedel) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 13:15:27 +0200 Subject: [gin] Reminder & Agenda: PGI Telcon Today 2010-09-02; 3:30 pm CET Message-ID: <008501cb4a90$25734b10$7059e130$@riedel@fz-juelich.de> Dear PGI team, today will be our usual telcon: (1) Telcon-System and Screen-Sharing http://webconf.vc.dfn.de/ogf-pgi-wg/ No login is required. Just enter as 'guest' with your real world name. (2) Proposed agenda: (a) Debrief notes from the last meeting (b) Debrief use case process, status, and review coverage, and feedback integration (c) Focus discussion: prioritization of use cases that drive 80% of the requirements (major 3-4 use cases) PLANNED AGREEMENT TODAY(!): Major 3-4 use cases that will be taken initially into account when we map the top PGI requirements to major use cases (d) Debrief glossary document & review process driven by Etienne (if time) (e) AOB Your co-chair, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel Deputy Division Leader Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division J?lich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Your co-chair, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel Deputy Division Leader Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division J?lich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3550 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/gin/attachments/20100909/ceb89077/attachment.bin From m.riedel at fz-juelich.de Thu Sep 16 08:11:15 2010 From: m.riedel at fz-juelich.de (Morris Riedel) Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 15:11:15 +0200 Subject: [gin] No PGI TelCon today Message-ID: <002c01cb55a0$a4bb0780$ee311680$@riedel@fz-juelich.de> Hi team, both chairs (Johannes and myself) are currently busy in the European event EGI Technical Forum. Therefore, there is no PGI Telcon today. Thanks so far for sending the final use cases to the list and please continue in case you didn't yet. Our aim is to have the document ready for OGF and we need another pass around the list before we submit it to the OGF editor. Take care, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel Deputy Division Leader Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division J?lich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3550 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/gin/attachments/20100916/77419581/attachment.bin From urbah at lal.in2p3.fr Wed Sep 22 05:00:26 2010 From: urbah at lal.in2p3.fr (Etienne URBAH) Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:00:26 +0200 Subject: [gin] [Pgi-wg] Genesis II Security - Trust Anchor(s) In-Reply-To: <1285103403.11312.8.camel@zam994-t400> References: <4C99025B.4010005@lal.in2p3.fr> <1285103403.11312.8.camel@zam994-t400> Message-ID: <4C99D3BA.20608@lal.in2p3.fr> Bernd, Concerning the issue of which CAs are trusted by which infrastructure : I have carefully read again the "focus and scope" of OGF PGI. You are right, it does NOT mention operational policies such as the one above. So, members of OGF PGI are free to ignore this issue. But I feel that this issue is a potential blocking point for practical interoperation, so a more appropriate audience for this issue is perhaps OGF GIN-CG. Best regards. ----------------------------------------------------- Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah at lal.in2p3.fr ----------------------------------------------------- On Tue, 21/09/2010 23:10, Bernd Schuller wrote: > hi Etienne, PGI, > > is it an aim of PGI-WG to discuss operational policies such as which CAs > are trusted by which infrastructure? The group's "focus and scope" at > does not mention this. > > Up to now, I assumed PGI is about defining and/or profiling > specifications for compute, data, etc, and *not* about operational > issues in specific existing or future infrastructures? Is this no longer > the case? > > Thanks for any clarification on this question, > Bernd. > > On Di, 2010-09-21 at 21:07 +0200, Etienne URBAH wrote: >> Duane and Andrew, >> >> I have carefully read the document 'Genesis-II Security Implementation' >> at http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc15435?nav=1 >> >> Basic interoperation between different grid infrastructures require to >> establish mutual trust and common processes. >> >> Currently, Security Policies for EGI are proposed by EGI SPG 'Security >> Policy Group' at https://wiki.egi.eu/wiki/SPG >> In particular, 'Approval of Certification Authorities' at >> https://documents.egi.eu/public/ShowDocument?docid=83 defines that the >> Trust Anchor is IGTF http://www.igtf.net/ >> >> In order to permit basic interoperation between EGI and infrastructures >> using Genesis II, members of EGI SPG need to have precise information on >> Trust Anchor and Security Process used by grid infrastructures using >> Genesis II. >> [...] >> >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS >> Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France >> Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah >> Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah at lal.in2p3.fr >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> > -- > Dr. Bernd Schuller > Distributed Systems and Grid Computing > Juelich Supercomputing Centre, http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc > Phone: +49 246161-8736 (fax -8556) > Personal blog: www.jroller.com/page/gridhaus > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH > 52425 Juelich > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich > Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 > Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig Dr. Karl Eugen Huthmacher > Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), > Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr.-Ing. Harald Bolt, > Prof. Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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These policies are neither mandatory (i.e., they can be superseded by local site policies), nor are they immutable (i.e., they can change following new requirements). In addition, SPG policies take great care of not requiring any specific technology. IGTF is the very rare exception, but even IGTF is not locked to a single technology per se, as nothing in the IGTF charter requires compliance to any specific implementation. All in all, I believe this is a non-issue for PGI, and probably even for GIN. Cheers, Oxana 22.09.2010 12:00, Etienne URBAH ?????: > Bernd, > > Concerning the issue of which CAs are trusted by which infrastructure : > > I have carefully read again the "focus and scope" of OGF PGI. You are right, it does NOT mention operational policies such as the one above. > > So, members of OGF PGI are free to ignore this issue. > > But I feel that this issue is a potential blocking point for practical interoperation, so a more appropriate audience for this issue is perhaps OGF GIN-CG. > > Best regards. > > ----------------------------------------------------- > Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS > Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France > Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah > Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah at lal.in2p3.fr > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > On Tue, 21/09/2010 23:10, Bernd Schuller wrote: >> hi Etienne, PGI, >> >> is it an aim of PGI-WG to discuss operational policies such as which CAs >> are trusted by which infrastructure? The group's "focus and scope" at >> does not mention this. >> >> Up to now, I assumed PGI is about defining and/or profiling >> specifications for compute, data, etc, and *not* about operational >> issues in specific existing or future infrastructures? Is this no longer >> the case? >> >> Thanks for any clarification on this question, >> Bernd. >> >> On Di, 2010-09-21 at 21:07 +0200, Etienne URBAH wrote: >>> Duane and Andrew, >>> >>> I have carefully read the document 'Genesis-II Security Implementation' >>> at http://forge.gridforum.org/sf/go/doc15435?nav=1 >>> >>> Basic interoperation between different grid infrastructures require to >>> establish mutual trust and common processes. >>> >>> Currently, Security Policies for EGI are proposed by EGI SPG 'Security >>> Policy Group' at https://wiki.egi.eu/wiki/SPG >>> In particular, 'Approval of Certification Authorities' at >>> https://documents.egi.eu/public/ShowDocument?docid=83 defines that the >>> Trust Anchor is IGTF http://www.igtf.net/ >>> >>> In order to permit basic interoperation between EGI and infrastructures >>> using Genesis II, members of EGI SPG need to have precise information on >>> Trust Anchor and Security Process used by grid infrastructures using >>> Genesis II. >>> [...] >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------- >>> Etienne URBAH LAL, Univ Paris-Sud, IN2P3/CNRS >>> Bat 200 91898 ORSAY France >>> Tel: +33 1 64 46 84 87 Skype: etienne.urbah >>> Mob: +33 6 22 30 53 27 mailto:urbah at lal.in2p3.fr >>> ----------------------------------------------------- >>> >> -- >> Dr. Bernd Schuller >> Distributed Systems and Grid Computing >> Juelich Supercomputing Centre, http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc >> Phone: +49 246161-8736 (fax -8556) >> Personal blog: www.jroller.com/page/gridhaus >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH >> 52425 Juelich >> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich >> Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 >> Vorsitzender des Aufsichtsrats: MinDirig Dr. Karl Eugen Huthmacher >> Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), >> Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr.-Ing. Harald Bolt, >> Prof. Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > -- > gin mailing list > gin at ogf.org > http://www.ogf.org/mailman/listinfo/gin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: oxana_smirnova.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 270 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.ogf.org/pipermail/gin/attachments/20100922/dbc1cf42/attachment.vcf -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If any comments are minor (e.g. typos, formatting, minor wordsmithing) I'll incorporate them and submit the document to the OGF editor on Monday morning. If I receive more serious comments I'll discuss with Johannes to schedule time for a final telcon discussion next week, at which we'll agree either to address them before publication or to create trackers/todo's and defer them to a next version of the glossary. Finally, I would like to thank Etienne for its work on the document. Take care, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel Deputy Division Leader Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division J?lich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Therefore, I welcome once again Steve who will particularly pushing our interoperability activities around the HPC-BP set of standards and beyond. I'm starting to discuss some ideas with Steve about our demonstration setups for OGF30 and Supercomputing 2010. Your co-chair, Morris >-- -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >-- Von: Morris Riedel [mailto:m.riedel at fz-juelich.de] >-- Gesendet: Montag, 2. August 2010 13:33 >-- An: 'gin at ogf.org' >-- Cc: 'David Wallom' >-- Betreff: GIN additional co-chair election process >-- >-- Dear GIN members, >-- >-- >-- I really much appreciate that we experience more and more activities within the interoperability realm in the >-- last year and that >-- some of you already discussed with me SC2010 plans. Therefore, I believe it makes sense to fill the additional >-- co-chair positions >-- currently available in GIN to further push our interoperability efforts as well. >-- >-- The election of the new co-chairs is an open process and the group decides. But please keep in mind that these >-- positions should be >-- filled as soon as possible and that these individuals should really invest time in the activity. >-- >-- Hence, to support a faster election process, I already discussed with members of OGF and GIN folks possible >-- candidates in the last >-- months. >-- >-- >-- I would therefore like to take the opportunity to recommend the group setup (in addition to my role) as follows: >-- >-- >-- >-- (1) >-- I recommend that Steve Crouch (U o Southampton, UK) would be one of the additional co-chairs. >-- >-- Steve is active in GIN since a long time mainly though his major involvement in the continuation of the HPC- >-- Basic Profile interop* >-- demos under the GIN umbrella. >-- >-- His major work would be to further push these HPC-Basic Profile interop* activities and further extend them as >-- best as possible. One >-- example might be the integration of other specifications like the file staging profile over time; another >-- example how we can augment >-- this demo with a complementary compliance check. >-- >-- I already discussed this with Steve and he is willing to take this role once selected by the group. >-- >-- >-- >-- (2) >-- In addition to Steve and myself, I recommend that Kazushige Saga (NII, Japan) would be one of the additional co- >-- chairs. >-- >-- Kazu is actively working with us in GIN and its spin-off PGI with much enthusiasm. His participation, in OGF in >-- general and in the >-- context of GIN/PGI/HPC-BP demos in particular, is well known by colleagues in the interop* community and beyond. >-- >-- Furthermore, with having already two European co-chairs with Steve and me, Kazu would be a suitable candidate in >-- order to >-- demonstrate that GIN is actively steered from members beyond Europe as well. >-- >-- I already discussed this with Kazu and he is willing to take this role once selected by the group. >-- >-- >-- >-- >-- >-- >-- Finally, please send me any serious objections (privately) to the proposed setup. >-- >-- If I do not receive significant objections until the end of this week (2010-08-06), I see this setup as being >-- agreed by the group. >-- >-- Afterwards, I will be once again in contact with our 'OGF e-Research Function' vice president David Wallom (cc) >-- to officially >-- confirm the above recommended setup. >-- >-- >-- Your co-chair, >-- Morris >-- ------------------------------------------------------------ >-- Morris Riedel >-- Deputy Division Leader >-- Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division >-- >-- J?lich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) >-- Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel >-- >-- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The use case document is ready too - I miss one final revised use case before this document can have a final call for group comments and OGF editor submission too. Ciao. ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel Deputy Division Leader Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division J?lich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(d) Discuss the specification creation process initially agreed on at OGF28 (Munich)/Workshops. Clarify next steps taking requirements/use cases into account. (e) AOB Please feel free to add any other topic on the agenda that I may have missed. Your co-chair, Morris ------------------------------------------------------------ Morris Riedel Deputy Division Leader Distributed Systems and Grid Computing Division J?lich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Info: http://www.fz-juelich.de/jsc/JSCPeople/riedel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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